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So, last week a new web-comic was launched. Creator/writer Will Brooker seemingly -at some point- walked into a comic store, and after seeing all the comic covers with boobs and women with their clothes falling off (his words) he understood instantly why girls would never set foot in a comic store (again his words). So he decided to do something about it. He started writing a comic targeted especially at young women, starring "Cat", our 'strong female lead'. Sounds really noble right.

They put up 22 pages, and already they have gotten a huge amount of attention. They've got a big fat list of loving reviews (like.. really really loving), after being live for about a week or so now. It must be good then. Right? Right.

I've read their first issue.. and to be fair, it wasn't terrible. I enjoyed it ok enough, but it certainly wasn't "[..]really, really goddamn good.", "Impressive!" and "The one we've been waiting for! It's so good I want to weep.", as the website would like us to believe (really these quotes and reviews are all over the place). The art is solid (kinda liked that) but the writing was a little cheesy and there where some weird phasing problems. I found the characters a little boring and forgettable so far.

So what's going on here? Why is this a thing? Well. Mr Brooker is cleverly marketing his comic as "the only comic for girls" and making a huge deal out of it. It's a bit as if he thinks he reinvented the wheel. As if he truly believes there is nothing out there for us (although maybe I'm a bit to old to be his target audience, but hell I've read books for teenagers and appreciated them). The website describes him as an " international academic expert on media and popular narrative" , but I really wonder if any of his knowledge actually extends into the comic scene. Or, if it does, I wonder why he chooses to ignore a large part of the industries.

My guess is that he noticed that there is in-fact a large female audience out there, who think the whole over-sexualization is a bit of a (sad-gotten out of hand kind of) joke (with things like the hawk-eye initiative getting massive exposure) and he's simply using our "anger" about this for marketing purpose.

The irritating thing is, what he writes is exactly the opposite of what the answer to the problem is. Sure, I appreciate his effort to create a story about a smart girl (she calls her intelligence is a 'super power' btw.. because you know, normally we girls don't have intelligence - ok that one was cheap.. sorry XD). But with his whole "comics, now also available for women" project he's promoting -further segregation-, instead of proving to the whole audience that female characters in "normal comics" can also be interesting characters. And everybody seems to be cheering about it...

(ps, I'm not including the link to the comic because they are getting more then enough free exposure of their agenda, but if you insist on reading it, just google for the title in this journal.)
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And now, to restore balance in the world after my 'negative-nancy' rant, have a funny:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmPmpU…
  • Mood: Anger
  • Listening to: My SO playing League of Legends
  • Reading: The Hobbit (in Dutch.. jikes)
  • Watching: Adventure time, Person of Interest
  • Playing: Trine 2
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Crivens322 Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
Can't men and women just be into different things? There are not a bunch of men out there demanding a version of Twilight or 50 Shades of Gray for themselves.
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013  Professional General Artist
Just in case, not all girls are into twilight/50 shades of Grey (far from it). I'm also sure there's guys out there that do like these books (although maybe they won't easily admit it). They don't need to demand a 'guys' version because they like the normal one. Telling a gender what they are supposed to be into, is dumb.
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Crivens322 Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2013
I re-read the post, as I can tangent very easily from the original point and end up making no sense.

From they way you put it, this guys sounds like he is trying to profit off an angry female target audience, by putting in as little effort as possible. Sadly, him turning a profit will most likely turn more girls away from comics, especially if he is their first exposure.

Though, I am not sure what you mean by "normal comics". Do you mean ones that lack sexism, or ones with normal people?

I enjoy reading comics, but for me the big selling point isn't about how many women are in it, but how good the story is.In the new 52, the Cat Woman comic is pretty horrible. There was a lack of plot, and her chest was stupidly big. I stopped getting it. Than on the other hand, there is Dial H. The main characters are some 30s something male who is over weight, and a woman who has to be in her 50s. Neither could be considered attractive, but the comic itself has a wacky and interesting story line, and it is one of the ones I continue to get.

Granted, there are a lot of comics out there that could do with a good slap on the hand, especially anything with Emma Frost.
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
I put "normal comics" in quotations on purpose because I don't -really- think there's such a thing. But for the purpose of the argument, when I said normal comics, I meant pretty much any comics that your average comic store would sell, who aren't this obvious about their gender agenda :).

The recent Catwoman series was pretty horrible indeed. I don't really mind Emma Frost being very sexual, because for her character it makes perfect sense to make use of her sexuality and do things like wearing next to nothing. She's a vixen and she's near invincible anyway. When Wonder women or Rogue is posing like a centaur women or have 'broken' zippers in their suits to show extra cleavage (often while flying, which is the most ridiculous hype of last year), it just looks like she's acting dumb and at that point the character loses all credibility to me.
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Crivens322 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013
Yeah, unnecessary cleavage is a bit awkward for everyone involved.
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PhantomTeacup Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
I don't think he bothered to investigate the webcomic scene at all... it's clear from the site design alone, and the claims he's making just enforce it-- there are plenty of webcomics out there with female leads who are far more interesting than his is. (And if he actually was into webcomics he would know not to put a big 'give us money!' on the front page while making the comic take several clicks to find.)

I found the comic itself to be bland and poorly paced, with flat characters.... And what does the main character actually DO in the comic? She wanders around town talking to herself and reminiscing, watches a subway station get blown up and hides in an alley, moves into a new apartment, and goes to a concert with her new housemates where she makes an awkward attempt at flirting. The monologue is infodumpy and contradicts itself (does she have a superpower or not?)
At the end of the issue I had no idea what the plot was going to be about-- if it's supposed to be about the subway station thing, they should have spent more pages on that instead of infodumping about how she got accused of plagiarism as a kid.
To use the 'star wars test', what I have retained about her character is that.... she's an unreliable narrator who claims to be smart and have a perfect memory, but she can't seem to remember her own name.

I think the concept could be interesting if it was better written and had a character who felt like a real person. (And if the creator had done the research; the plagiarism flashbacks are unrealistic.)
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artisteri Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I feel like the academic world is about 20 years behind the actual world, especially when it comes to modern media, and internet media in particular. People/university teachers/the like with job titles like "Media expert"or how they describe this author usually says to me they spend time "studying" the internet 10 years ago and think they are experts when they haven't caught on to any changes that happened in recent times.

Like the fact that webcomics have always been around, ridiculously fast evolving since you get direct interaction with fans and if they don't like what you make, you always get to hear about it. All of my favorite webcomics (and this is a coincidence, I had to sit and think about it for a minute) are written by women, and that's not why I read them. I read them because they're good (like Spindrift!). There are plenty of comics "for girls" out there, by authors both male and female, and this guy does sound like he's just using a cheap marketing gimmic to sell something that otherwise didn't catch anyone's attention (hello, you do that with good characters of ANY gender, and a good story :P).

Sorry, I ranted in response to your rant :P But I agree with you, I think it's silly, and I think for the most part the comic will be ignored if it isn't interesting. If it's interesting, it will be popular for that reason, not because it's for any gender whatsoever.

But those foolish marketers will never stop with that kind of thing ("comics" for girls, "video games" for girls... like girls can't play regular video games). Ah well...
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KazumiAkai Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, you have a strong point and i totally agree with it. Targeting comics to girls isn't the answer. In fact, i would dare to say your own comic 'Spindrift' is a gem because of all the nice female characters you've put in the story, with none of them over-sexualized, with each one of them having different personalities, and i have failed to see you have fallen into any trope we've usually seen on comics and media in general. :)
That's why i love your comic, so keep up the great job girl!

And that guy probably was really trying to make a difference...but he fell on the extreme other side of the problem, maybe because he's seeing it from a male point of view ..
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
I think so too. And thank you ^__^
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Kaydreamer Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't know what kind of rock he's been living under, but there are already THOUSANDS of comics out there marketed at girls. Has he glanced at the manga section lately? Sheesh. And there are Western comics which are pretty inclusive as well.

Some Japanese authors do a very good job of writing for a neutral gender. Full Metal Alchemist is a freaking amazing example. It has male leads but amazing female support characters, the drawings are not sexualised and it has an amazing story to tell, filled with adventure and mystery and suspense and emotion. You don't need to pander to women in order to get us liking something, just don't exclude us. Weak female characters and over-sexualised drawings of women are why so many of us feel excluded by mainstream Western comics. Doesn't stop us from READING them because hey, superheroes and magic and cool shit, YAY, but every time I pick one up it seems obvious to me that I'm not the reader they had in mind. It's pandering to men with the sexualisation. Which, frankly, if I were a man I would be insulted by.

Don't change the stories, don't change the heroes and heroines, don't change what the comics are about because as a female reader those things are all what makes me love them. But for the love of god, start treating the female characters just as you would the male ones, both in terms of character depth AND artistic treatment. Do that, and I can guarantee the female readership will shoot up. We like these stories! We just don't like picking up a book and being slapped in the face with art which is obviously meant for a boys club.
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ensoul Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
From the first review: "Her struggles include militating with the oppressive supervillainy that hangs over Gloria City, yes—the first comic literally opens with a bang—but also with quotidian sexism brilliantly and economically sketched on a single comic page that could usefully serve as a definition of ‘microagression.’"

Ugh. I just want to slap whoever wrote that meaningless worm of a sentence.

Honestly, it looks OK, not great. The art is, as you said, solid but certainly not astounding (there are some issues with closeups) and the Nancy Drew-esque heroine isn't particularly interesting so far. There really just isn't much to go on and I completely agree that the claims of the creator smack of either blind arrogance or cynical marketing.

On another note, any suggestions for good webcomics with female protagonists? I've been jonesing for something sort of buddy cop/action/detective but with female leads that don't make me want to tear my hair out.
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DelusionInABox Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
If I hadn't just read something super brain-intensive that just completely drained all my thought process, I would have more to say about this, but at the moment all I can think is: "....REALLY?"

All the comics I read that inspired me to do my own comics...most of them were done by women. The first webcomics I read were all done by women. It's also hard to get past the whole, "Wow, there are no comics for ladies, but I as a man will make the one ultimate story for ladies because I (apparently) know all about ladies and what they want!"

I skimmed it. Not impressed. Blegh.
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Hmhm, I hear you. I think they just have a smart marketing person behind the whole thing because I really don't see any other reason why this would have take off the way it did. Oh well. I'd rather fight and work hard for attention than use a bunch of false and outdated statements to push my work :P.
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woohooligan Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Funny, I didn't find that passage "negative" ... it seemed pretty even-handed to me, sounds like a good description of what's going on. :nod:
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
I agree, I would like to call it realism :P. But every-time I do this someone smacks me with the "don't be so negative" stick :P
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woohooligan Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
heh. I could see that. The more people you have reading your blogs, etc. the more you're going to get varied and sometimes fringe opinions expressed in the comments.
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mcruthless Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
oh phew a man is here to write some comics for us ladies!!
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
We're saved! :P
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Jacobtm92 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Hey you play league salsa? we should team up sometime
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
No just my fiancee sorry. I do watch a bunch of the tournaments and stuff. I think I would like the game, and that's why I haven't picked it up :P. I'm pretty competitive when it comes to these things, and I think it would ruin my schedule XD.
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Jacobtm92 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student Digital Artist
hahah well you should play then on downtime! it's a great way to loose some stress
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alexandergras Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
I think it is unbearably arrogant of this author to try and write a comic for girls. And I think it is unbelievably ignorant of him to claim that it is the first. There are hundreds, if not thousands of webcomics created by women and girls. His claims are a slap in the face of all these female creators. What he says is: You don't count. Your work is meaningless.

I totally understand your feelings, I just don't understand that you don't come to the point where it is obvious that media for women might probably better be written by women. Because no man knows what it means to be female and therefore no man can write from the perspective of a woman. As a reader, girls written by women are mostly totally believable, while girls written by men are mostly male clichés about girls. Shallow. Boring. Girls I wouldn't want to meet. There are exceptions (great male writers who can write from the perspective of women, and awful female writers who don't understand their own sex), but mostly that is what I find.

Here in Germany, girls read Manga. Because there are Manga that are written and drawn by women who, from their own experience, understand their audience. Manga are a huge financial success in Germany and have overtaken comics in sales. Of course there are Manga targeted at boys, too, and they do well as well. Comics are mostly either for kids or adults, there are few teen comics around, so most of the teens read Manga.
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asunnyspirit Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I still don't understand how issue 1, where barely anything really happens in the story at all can get fabulous reviews like its all ready a masterpiece.
What I read was so unmemorable that i doubt i will recall what i read by next week. It wasn't bad per se, it just lacked content....Im trying not to be jealous at all this unwarranted attention...i really am >__>
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yeah, I try not to think to much about it, in fear of an exploding brain XD
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KreepingSpawn Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Gosh that video was wretched. ;p

Now to go an dig up this comic and see what all the fuss is about...
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Long live the king!
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pearwood Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
He's obviously not read Spindrift or Digger, though his characterization of most comics and fantasy art (and, ahem, artistic nudes) is dead on.
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
I like the new avatar Steve :).
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pearwood Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Fuzz face and camera.
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Biram-Ba Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen many discussions about women in mainstream comics in recent months, I guess it was just a matter of time before someone actually sees it as an opportunity. Even though, I assume, his intentions are very positive.
Of course there's a lot of people making webcomics, good ones, who don't get that kind of attention. I guess that's just life.
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AmandaRamsey Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Student Digital Artist
wow when was the last time this guy walked into a comic store? I think the only books i can think of that represent the "clothes falling off big breasted women" are the grimm fairy tale series.
Im in the comic store all the time and im a girl. I read everything from horror comics, creator owned, indie to big time super heroes.
Sounds like this guy is taking advantage of this "movement" going around that girls are being taken advantage of, unappreciated, and view only as sexual objects by men. Im not kidding its all over tumblr and im tired of it and who ever started it should be punched in the face, but any who you have to give him credit for smart marketing and be aware there are a lot of stupid people out there that will take his word for it. XD
Its very obvious to me that he is trying more so to "sell" this comic than to actually produce a good story.
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MadamMayh3m Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
... There are no words... I'm going to go kill and eat something fluffy and cute now to vent my rage. Somebody else already used this term, but I'll use it again. HAS THIS ARROGANT B*STARD BEEN LIVING!?! UNDER A ROCK?!
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Nooo, don't eat the kittens!
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MadamMayh3m Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I won't eat kittens. I love kittens XD
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Tigershark06 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yup...agree agree agree!! I also added my two cents on FCP so I will save readers a future rant...
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Treori Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Urgh, you know something, I am freaking offended that he would think us females are so DENSE and shallow that we can't look beyond the big boobs and lack of clothing to see the core of a plot.

Maybe we should all just stick to our pretty bags and sparkly shoes because everyone knows that women are basically magpies, our heads are filled with fairy dust and flowers and all those pretty delicate things that make us essentially girls.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it was decided that women CAN think without overheating their delicate brains. After all we are now allowed to vote, drive, talk with men at social public functions, get a job that doesn't have the words 'home' or 'house' in it, in fact sometimes we can lead a country *tips hat to Australia*.

If any of his bull was true, then why aren't male nerds complaining about the stereotypical super heroes? Peter Parker and Spiderman was SUCH a big hit, because he was originally a nerdy teenager. He was scrawny, he wore glasses, he enjoyed science and was socially retarded, but then something amazing happened to him and he was changed into Spiderman. But in general super heros are all tall, muscular, typically handsome and wear tight clothing. I don't think I've ever ever EVER heard a guy complain that he didn't like reading a comic because the men were too handsome.

It's a stupid concept, that's like saying the majority of women hate reading womens magazines because THEY are filled with beautiful women.... and they are.

DC and Marvel realized a long time ago that they have female fans too, they began to strengthen and add more women heroes into their pages and like the men, they are all tall, physically attractive and wear tight clothing.

The people that DO complain about such things wouldn't read these comics if its pages were filled with ugly men and/or women would then? Why do they complain? Usually because of their own self image and their own feelings of self worth tied in with how attractive they see themselves.

I have lots of self confidence issues, but as long as the story being told is engaging, exciting and fascinating I would gladly take 100 semi clad women telling the story then change it for a bunch of heros that a MAN decides is what us women want telling a half assed story with no depth.

Wow, that turned into a bigger rant then I expected XD I hope my point it clear though.
Now I'm off to look at shoes, coz I'm a woman and I obviously can't think deep thoughts like the one above ;)
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ElsaKroese Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Bahaha. Lovin' the Muro XD.
I think there's a difference between drawing attractive/sexy ladies/dudes (which I don't have a problem with) and objectifying/over sexualizing female every chance they get though (which still happens a lot in superhero comics). Also, none of this is my idea, but most of the male characters in super hero comics are designed to look like the male ideals, and so are the women. So there's an inequality there. I'm not saying there aren't girls who are into big muscled guys with guns/weapons/superpowers, but most of them weren't created with us in mind. I just don't think that, making a "specially for women" comic is solving the problem, and it's getting most of it's love and attention because they claim it does.

The reboot of Glory was a great example of how to solve that problem imho (totally check it out btw). The new Glory is a bad ass character that is believable and has actual depth to it. If only they had had the attention this webcomic has, than maybe they wouldn't have canceled it :(. Glory sure deserves it more.
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Biram-Ba Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree, but...

"I don't think I've ever ever EVER heard a guy complain that he didn't like reading a comic because the men were too handsome." Actually, I do find those kind of boring. :)

"It's a stupid concept, that's like saying the majority of women hate reading womens magazines because THEY are filled with beautiful women.... and they are." The concern is that superhero books are made for males, so men's magazines would probably be a more accurate analogy. Or porn.
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Treori Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think you have misunderstood the first statement. Or are you saying that any comic that has a handsome main char is boring regardless of the plot and storyline?

As for the second, there is light years of difference between porn, and a comic made by people such as DC or Marvel.
I am a female, I don't read porn, but I will read DC or Marvel. The biggest difference being that the women ARE clothed, both male and females will wear skin tight or skimpy clothing, but all the parts are covered. If it was even comparable to pornography, then there would be a strong age limit on it and as far as I was aware I have not seen them being placed in a restricted section due to sexual content.

As for women's magazines, have you actually read one? Coz I have. Lots of them, there are LOADS of women in skimpy clothing in them, especially during the summer, its all celebrities in bikinis. Pictures of models in underwear, and depending on the magazine itself there will quite often be lots and lots of sexual based content too.

My analogy was not incorrect. I MEANT women's magazines because the comparison is what WOMEN read.... not what MEN read. The entire point of the post was in response to the idiot that decided that women didn't read comics because of the way the women in them are drawn. Not that men didn't read it.

I can tell you as a female that reads comics I won't stop reading them because the superheroines wear super tight clothes.... I WOULD stop reading them if they did turn into porn though. I can also tell you from speaking with my female friends who AREN'T into comic books the reason they don't read them has NOTHING to do with the women in them.... nothing at ALL! The reason they don't read them is because they don't like the genre, THEY are into more stereotypical female pursuits (shopping, watching 'female' programs, reading books aimed towards them typically, fashion etc etc), just like the male friends I have that don't read comics also don't read because they are not interested in the genre, they are interested in typical male pursuits (generally music, cars, drinking out with their friends and games consoles).
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Biram-Ba Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, a handsome main char is great (I grew up watching Batman, so...), I just don't like when all characters all equally good looking and equally muscular and equally smart and have the same face (Jim Lee tends to draw men like that). If a comic didn't have at least one good looking char it would look as weird to me as when they have no not-so-good-looking ones.

I might've misunderstood you on the second thing though, as you were referring to a very specific concept, and I thought you were speaking more in general. Though the analogy would still work with men's magazines, I think.

And of course Marvel and DC don't make porn. And it's probably not due to the amounts of clothes people wear in each case.
I recently realised, most of it comes to the quality of thought. A good artist can get away with a lot more oversexualization than a bad one.

And yeah, what you mentioned is something I've been thinking about too. There's no such thing as "female audience", or "male audience". With the amount of information we all create, there's a place for everyone, and people gravitate towards indie projects that fit their own needs better. So it's better to do what we'd like to read ourselves, and try to be creative about it, instead of trying to please some artificially created group.
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novemberkris Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
I'm still mad about this too, but I used up all my words on it at the FCP.
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RoCueto Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Superficial people will produce superficial products and superficial media for equally superficial people.
And stupid social justice warriors have no fucking idea what they are talking about either, just look at Sinfest, jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon without taking a moment to ponder what his newest revolution is all about.

You know who had and still has a massive and almost entirely female fandom both in videogame form and in comic form? Bloodrayne. Yeah, the same one who was in Playboy and writes "fanservice" in big, red, bright, bloody caps, because she wasn't only badass but unlike most mary-sue "strong female characters" she was actually fun.

Friends of mine who really enjoy comics as a narrative media think of Witchblade (Sara), Batwoman, Azzarello's Wonder Woman or Noa (Sky-Doll) when you say "strong female character", while the kind of people who I'm sure say to adore this comic you mention surely would say Harley Queen, because, you know, being a slut to pass college and then being the perpetual punching bag of an abusive relationship doesn't count as much as showing midriff or cleavage in the sexism-o-meter.
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wulfmune Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013
there's plenty of comics out there that are getting lots of female readership (gasp many of them made by women!!) and I find many of them more interesting. A pity they don't wave a gender agenda in your face to pander for extra attention. the first chapter didn't interest me at all. if this is a "woman's comic" I'll pass.
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Pretty-Angel Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Eww, that dude sounds like a horribly smug douche. There are tons of female-friendly comics out there. Where has he been living all the time? Under a rock?
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IgorChakal Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
You're a fucking genius Ms Kroese.
That's exactly the problem. They don't get that there are tons of girls that actually enjoy things that are supposed to be "man things". Take my drawings and pages for instance. The large, no, the HUGE majority of my watchers here and people that come to talk with me about my drawings are girls, they really dig into things that no sane man should do. And they love it.
The fact is, it is not because girls are getting cooler or that there are some that like those things while others don't, or anything else. It has always been like that, because it is not a girl or a boy thing, it's a thing, and tons of people will like, and other will not. And giving woman a strong figure to relate to is not the way of doing a fucking shit about any kind of segregation. I don't read Berserk because Guts is a fucking confident man. Fuck that.
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Ammeg88 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*sighs*

Well I am afraid that some men just don't understand the difference between some women not liking certain images and those who couldn't give a crap as long as the comic is good, I dislike when things like this get huge reviews when it is a load of tripe...
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